tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30045182.post2236088718603115564..comments2024-02-01T02:05:30.666-08:00Comments on Goju-Ryu Karate-do: You have to teach it firstGiles Hopkinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00792620001178526712noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30045182.post-54430973851107001512016-01-14T14:56:10.762-08:002016-01-14T14:56:10.762-08:00Now that I beginning to teach again, I take to sid...Now that I beginning to teach again, I take to sides, one is to reveal the principles and the other is to teach the proper technique, I will see the results and adapt from thatFedaiyinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10747502874848771011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30045182.post-85162277380768535832013-03-28T19:01:30.016-08:002013-03-28T19:01:30.016-08:00I think the truth is we don't teach at all, it...I think the truth is we don't teach at all, it seems what actually happens is we practice and share the rest seems to be a rather personal experience...Cristobal Alfredo Gidihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01707128913993915206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30045182.post-71156115528151059892013-03-27T14:36:26.418-08:002013-03-27T14:36:26.418-08:00Hey Russ, I agree. I'm not a fan of it either,...Hey Russ, I agree. I'm not a fan of it either, and yet it seems pretty widespread. So much of the bunkai I see out there seems to contradict very basic and rather obvious martial principles. I think teaching kata without bunkai and the principles that are inherent in a particular kata is a meaningless exercise. But this too is not without problems. And one of the main ones may be a student's expectations the moment they walk into a karate dojo.Giles Hopkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00792620001178526712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30045182.post-60087875053273954302013-03-27T05:44:22.545-08:002013-03-27T05:44:22.545-08:00Well, after giving it some thought, I disagree. I&...Well, after giving it some thought, I disagree. I'm solidly on the side of martial arts FOR self-improvement, which is inherently an inside-out/reflective process.<br /><br />As for efficacy, I'm certain the old-timers had the same problems as today - in that people were liars, cheats and unfaithful. Taking, without acknowledging. Of course they'd hide things.Nardahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16536913063519327736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30045182.post-78541676361997841842013-03-25T15:49:13.467-08:002013-03-25T15:49:13.467-08:00Giles,
I'm referring to the practice of "...Giles,<br /><br />I'm referring to the practice of "teaching" an art by teaching motions/kata to students and expecting them to eventually "understand" the art's principles and applications primarily by self-study.<br /><br />No other form of modern educational environment (to my knowledge) works the same way.<br /><br />Obviously, I'm not a fan of this "revealed" or "discovery-based" approach to teaching martial arts. <br /><br />I prefer a more explicit approach. :)<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />RussAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03353143256102978017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30045182.post-85425029339213332032013-03-25T13:34:39.388-08:002013-03-25T13:34:39.388-08:00Narda, Thanks for the comment. It's always nic...Narda, Thanks for the comment. It's always nice to know there are people out there. I enjoyed your provocative hypothetical forum post on a system that was totally explained from day one. The responses were quite surprising.<br /> <br />I know you know the problems I'm referring to because I've had these same discussions with Bill.Giles Hopkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00792620001178526712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30045182.post-21261951651682888012013-03-25T13:29:33.782-08:002013-03-25T13:29:33.782-08:00Russ, Thanks for the comment, though I'm not s...Russ, Thanks for the comment, though I'm not sure what you mean by "personal revelation on the student's part." I've been thinking about this a lot because of the way things are transmitted--partly through expectations, but also from what people see on the internet or read in books. Gedan-uke, for example. I don't believe that technique is used in any of the classical kata the way you see it used in videos on the internet or books or even in training subject two-person drills such as the Shorei-kan Gekisai sets. And yet when it is practiced during the "basics" part of most classes, it is still referred to as a block. Giles Hopkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00792620001178526712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30045182.post-16281085693259106272013-03-25T10:48:35.091-08:002013-03-25T10:48:35.091-08:00We sometimes discuss this, the limitations of trai...We sometimes discuss this, the limitations of training methodologies, but aside from that...clear communication still may not equate to understanding; due to individual learning/ cognitive abilities people simply learn differently. <br /><br />As a generic starting point, the least cluttered approach may simply be...'watch and do'?Nardahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16536913063519327736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30045182.post-742355063798165762013-03-25T10:35:30.570-08:002013-03-25T10:35:30.570-08:00In most cases, a teacher teaches a student either:...In most cases, a teacher teaches a student either: 1) what the teacher learned, or 2) what the student needs.<br /><br />Which is better? Well, IMO, only the 2nd option even really discusses the "skills of teaching", per se.<br /><br />I can certainly envision many of the "problems" I perceive in the martial arts simply related to a lack of "teaching" skills on the part of many teachers. <br /><br />I actually feel that while the onus in any communication is on the part of both the sender and receiver, in a teaching situation, the teacher actually carries more of the burden of putting out the material, testing the air to see if the material has been understood, and then RESHAPING the lesson if it has not.<br /><br />That is all lost on a system or people that deal in personal revelation on the student's part over the course of many years...<br /><br />I guess I'm just really a fan of explicit teaching methodologies, even as it relates to traditional martial arts.<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />RussAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03353143256102978017noreply@blogger.com